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Cinique' Said,
September 11th, 2010 @6:57 am  

I truly appreciate the response from you. It truly encourages us all to hear the triumphs our advice can have in people lives. I truly will pray that all your hearts desires be fulfilled so your joy will be full, lacking nothing. If you want to talk a bit more or have any more questions for me, you can email me at: Cinique.Scott@yahoo.com – I would be obliged to see you through any storm you travel THROUGH (there is always light, after the storm). May God keep and bless you thoroughly.

Cinique Scott
Cinique.Scott@yahoo.com

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Keith Makenas Said,
September 8th, 2010 @11:23 am  

Sounds like you know what you want and let things digest, so you’ll obviously be more than fine, but you know that already. Best of luck, let me know how things pan out for you. p.s. thanks for the cig info, probably best it’s more expensive here so I don’t have too many.

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deedarz Said,
September 6th, 2010 @7:41 am  

I want to thank all of you guys, who made comments after I reposted my question.
kmakenas: I wasn’t trying to make that scene, but rather the scene where the guy elicits the attitude of ‘I don’t have much time and there’s plenty of other fish in the sea’. I did that also because I had already expressed my intentions towards her. If I hadn’t, maybe I would not have been in such a rush. But once stated my feelings, I felt exposed and vulnerable and my reaction was something like a defence mechanism. Maybe it wasn’t the best thing to do, but I think I didn’t have other options (at the time).
As for the cigarettes, their price is around 5 to 8 Leva (that’s our currency; it’s about 2,50 to 4 in Euros). Not very expensive, but not cheap either, as the median wage here is around 250 Euros/ month.
Cinique: you, just as kmakenas, advise me to be friends with her, and see where it takes me. I’ve already decided to do just that. But I can’t do this without reserve. Very often, I’ve seen some really nice guys falling into the friend zone and never managing to find their way out, turning into emotional trash cans…That’s the reason for my initial rejection of her friendship, but I will, after all, give it a try and hope for the best…
Maybe I’m now willing to do this, because, I kind of cooled down towards her. I was fixated on the idea to enter in a serious relationship, but the truth is, I don’t want it at the moment. I called her on the phone and told her that I’m ready to be her friend if she still wants me as such. She asked me how did I change my mind, after being such a stalwart. I told her I had thought that I want to be in a relationship, but I’ve realized that at the moment, being single suits my needs perfectly well. I also told her, that my perception of her has changed: she’s still equally pretty, smart and I still appreciate her for the same qualities as before, but I’ve realized I put myself up to like her in the way I thought I did. I said I’d call her next week to meet somewhere and discuss our future ‘friendship’ and she agreed. I now feel perfectly at ease meeting her; in the course of the last few days, I met a few different girls and the communication with them went very smoothly. This reinforced my conviction that there are always options in front of somebody – he just has to learn to exploit them. So, right now, I’m not expecting anything from my ‘would-be friend’. I will consider my possible friendship with her a social experiment and I’m sure the information I get from it will be useful in the future.
Both Cinique and kmakenas gave knowledgeable and comprehensive answers to my question. John Wilder’s advice to find a new girlfriend was also appropriate and fully corresponds to my intentions (only, relationship is not my goal anymore). Besides everything, we all know what perk is for a guy to be seen with a girl by another girl, in which he has had interest.
Your site is great and I will surely recommend it to my friends. Thanks a lot and I wish you the best!

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Cinique' Said,
September 4th, 2010 @5:34 am  

Dimitar,

To be honest, brother, being her friend is the best position you can place yourself in to gain her affections. There is nothing wrong with being her friend. It sounds like you want to move it to the next level but you just cant rush these types of things. Being that you mentioned that you guys have deeper than normal conversations, you are already light years ahead in her eyes. Trust is the number one thing you must keep with her to begin to win her full affections. If you can keep your physical desires for her in check, a friend in her is ultimately want you want. I don’t know how much you know about the dynamics of relationships but after years of companionship, the main thing that couples enjoy is just the company of their mate. When you have found someone, even if they are just a friend, that you can share your deepest passions with, keep it. When people get old, grey, and physically unable to do the do, this friendship dynamic is critical. You cannot force her heart to feel anymore for you no matter what you do. But you can, be yourself and show her the joy in being around you. Besides, when it comes down to it…if she shares her innermost thoughts with you and not anyone else, you have an upper hand in winning her affections anyway. Like…hmmm….just for giggles let say she told you that she likes tulips. Now…maybe an anonymous but dashing individual(you) has tulips sent to her job. A good way to check your chances with her, would be to cunningly inquire about the tulips you saw at her job and see if she tells you they were from an admirer or if she try’s to cover it up. This will help gauge you where you are in your quest for her affection. If she covers it, she views your relationship with her as valuable and doesn’t want to hurt you. Even if she tells you the truth, you must be wise on how you gauge her response. I hope this helps, God bless, keep me posted.

Cinique Scott
Cinique.Scott@yahoo.com

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September 3rd, 2010 @8:28 pm  

I think that the girl wants to keep guys in the friend zone because she is working two jobs and is exhausted. Relationships take time and work. She has little time to devote to a relationship. If she got involved with you, she would be even more exhausted and might lose a job. You obviously want to get into her panties and you will be frustrated because she does not have time or energy for sex. Stay friends with her and find anohter girlfriend who has time and energy to be your girlfriend.

I know that is not what you want to hear, but it is my best advice.

Blessings on you and yours
John Wilder

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kmakenas Said,
September 3rd, 2010 @8:17 pm  

Are you acting out a scene in the movies where the guy is being tough and expecting the girl to show up his door, after walking through a rain storm, to give him a huge hug and kiss telling him that she loves him and wants to be with him forever? Sounds great, doesn’t it? That doesn’t happen, at least not during the dry season. You stated your view on men women friendship, but honestly, a very high number of successful relationships are partners that were friends first. You really get to know that person, so there’s limited surprises in the future that damage relationships. I say drop your attitude toward friends and be friends with her. You may experience that having a friend of the opposite sex is the best thing. If it doesn’t work with her, maybe she’ll introduce you to one of her friends and that works out. Maybe she’s made good money at her shop and will buy you drinks at the bar or cigarettes. Speaking of, how much are cigarettes in Bulgaria? Taxes here on cigarettes are killing me more than the cigarettes. The bottom line Dimitar, is give it shot with her friendship.

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deedarz Said,
September 3rd, 2010 @5:57 pm  

would like to tell you that it wasn’t a love note. It was
again, very casual, just letting her know that I’m
interested in her and would like to get to know her better
after I come back. I did that more to impress her with the
fact that I can write in rhyme, than for any other reason. I
left the note in the shop, again with her sister’s
collaboration and she told me that she’s going to inform me
of her sister’s reaction on the following day. The following
day, she texted me, while I was already on my way to Greece,
that her sister had found the note and that she had said
something like “I’ll crush him”, but in a positive way (I
just don’t know the English expression for the thing she has
said). Then I went out of ‘network coverage’ and didn’t hear
of her until I came back.
When I returned, the collaborator-sister was at work. She
told me that her sister has found the letter ‘very kind’,
which I didn’t particularly like. It’s just that when a girl
you like says that something about you is ‘kind’ and…you
know. She told me that she would come by the shop later, but
she warned me not to expect anything, because her sister is
not the person who takes the initiative, especially when it
comes to dating (which I already knew). Meanwhile, she also
told me that they’re closing the shop and this is their last
day at work. After a few hours, her sister came and I went
to see her. She seemed happy to see me, I asked her out and
she agreed to go for a drink after work. In the evening, we
went to a coffee shop; we sat by each other and had a very
pleasant conversation, discussing multiple topics – eating,
dating, life, sex. I watched her body language: she was
fidgeting with her hair and her rings, her jewellery (she
doesn’t do it much, but this time it was almost all the
time). I asked her if I can touch her hair, because there
must be something very pleasant and special, since she was
doing it all the time. She backed up a little, making a shy
face, but letting me touch her. I thought that everything
was going ‘according to plan’. But she never said anything
about the letter or about us, as a whole. After some time we
left and she drove me back to my home. When we stopped in
front of my building, I broached the question. The thing is
that I didn’t want to waste my time, especially when I had
already stated my intentions towards her. So I started
talking. She said ‘it was very kind and that she has
preserved the note – stuff that I couldn’t care less about.
So I told her that I genuinely like her and would really
like to take our relationship further. She didn’t say
anything. Then I added that if she doesn’t feel the same, I
do not plan to see her anymore. Then followed the usual ‘but
why?’ and stuff, and I told her that it simply isn’t going
to happen. It’s either everything or nothing at all, and I
again reiterated my view about friendship between men and
women, or rather the non-existence of such. She again said
she was happy to know me and she would be very happy if we
see each other from time to time, but I again told her that
there’s no point for me doing that, although, I added, she
was a great person and she was different from most girls,
which was the very thing that had attracted me to her in the
first place. She sat silent. Then I told her: ‘Okay, let’s
not bother you anymore!’. I got out of the car, she also
did, because she had to turn off a light in the shop. I
waited for her to come back, she again started talking about
maybe seeing each other from time to time, but I cut her
off. (Mind that during the whole conversation, she didn’t
said ‘no’, i.e. she didn’t reject me, at least technically).
Then, she made an attempt to hug me, but I backed off,
saying that it’s not appropriate. She didn’t know what to
say and whined about how mean I was, of course, not meaning
it literally. Then I said ‘bye’, smiling, turned around and
headed for my door. She walked into her car and set out. I
kept my cool during the whole time.

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deedarz Said,
September 3rd, 2010 @5:56 pm  

There is that girl that used to work near my flat. We met in
front of my home and in a few days, I could easily go to her
and talk about whatever. In general, she keeps her distance
with new people, especially guys, because there are always a
few of them around her, trying to get into her panties, and
she is definitely not the easy type. Nevertheless, she
opened up to me quite quickly and I could see that she
enjoyed the time we were having together (which was not
much). I liked her from day one, but was very careful not to
fall into her ‘friend zone’, in which a lot of guys have
tragically fallen, trying to do the abovementioned thing by
being too kind and available to her. Having this in mind, I
made myself clear from the very beginning that I do not have
and don’t want to have any female friends (I put this in our
first conversation, very casually and in a funny way, citing
my favorite comedian – Chris Rock). She shook her head
unapprovingly, but smiling. So, I spent two workdays with
her (separated by one day), sitting with her in her shop (or
outside), talking and laughing, drinking coffee and smoking
cigarettes. This was the first two times that we actually
talked; we were getting to know each other. The second time,
I told her that we should go out some day and she agreed.
She told me she’s going to the sea for three days and after
that, we would arrange something. When she came back, she
was sick with some summer flu virus. I brought up the thing
about going out and she said: ‘Yeah, I know, just wait until
I get better’. I was going on a vacation in Greece for 20+
days, but didn’t know exactly when. Ultimately, I departed,
without having the chance to go out with her.
In the meantime, I’ve come to know her sister, who also
worked at the same shop. I initiated her into my ‘secret’
and made her my collaborator and informant. Normally, I
wouldn’t do that – that’s fourth-graders’ stuff. But the
girl I like is quite elusive – she works a second job where
she gives long night and day watches and when she isn’t at
the shop, she normally sleeps and rests at home. So, I
approached her sister and gained her over my cause. She
didn’t blow my cover, I’m sure.
The night before my departure, I did another thing that I
wouldn’t normally do, but, again, I thought I can do it this
time. I had written her something like a poem, but…before
you say “How can you be so reckless, you dumb *****?”, I

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deedarz Said,
September 3rd, 2010 @5:55 pm  

Guys, I don’t know if it’s because my question is too long or because of something else, but, as some of you have noticed – the question cuts off right before the main action, right before the interesting (or not so interesting part), i.e. it’s not posted in its entirety…I’m posting the question again, this time in two parts, hope it’s all clear this time…

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September 3rd, 2010 @2:46 pm  

Dear Dimitar,

I don’t see the question so I’m not sure how to respond to this. But by your title I gather you’re concerned that this woman will keep you in the “friend zone” where you say you don’t want to be. And, yet you’ve spent a fair amount of time hanging out with her in a non-going-out way.

All you can ever do is be honest and straightforward about what you want both in word and deed. If you want to date her, let her know and if she continues to keep you in the “friend zone,” you’ll have to decide if that’s okay or not.

Good luck.

Shela Dean
Relationship Coach, Speaker & Author
http://www.ShelaDean.com
htt[://www.FrequentForeplayMiles.com

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September 3rd, 2010 @1:43 pm  

Honestly, I’d need more information to help you. It seems like your question cuts off at the end, without ever asking us a question. What am I missing?

If her sister is on your side in trying to help you and her get together, what are you asking us? I’m confused.

If you’d like some help, you’ll have to finish telling me the situation:
JayTheAdviceMan@aol.com

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jeter1982 Said,
September 3rd, 2010 @12:07 pm  

Hello Dimitar (24, Plovdiv, Bulgaria),
It sounds like you two are dating, but taking it slow, as you mention this girl makes you work as most woman will! You put your cards on the table and the honesty is appreciated, so she is seeing what you are about and how you handle situations. When you make your move to kiss or hold hands that show give you a feel if you are moving forward, backwards and/or just standing still.

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